Monday, 2 May 2011

Truths, half truths and lies, who now can tell the difference?

It is troubling that within days of reading news stories which told us that al Qaeda had a nuclear device hidden somewhere in Europe, which they plan to use if Osama bin Laden to be killed by the Americans, we read the dramatic news that Osama bin Laden has been killed by the Americans.

Equally troubling in other ways is the fact that the first alleged photographic evidence to appear which supports the claim (click here to see it) is a very obvious fake.

The terrorist mastermind's body has apparently already buried at sea.

We have reached a point where we have been lied to to such a degree it is impossible to know if anything we are told is the truth.


Rose of Scotland said...

Why would they chuck the body in the sea so quickly? It doesn't make sense.

Anonymous said...

I think that's the point. No doubt some social experiment's have been undertaken on group psychology that show that when those in charge lie to, manipulate, undermine, cause to be fearful - bully and terrorise - people in their command it makes some easier to control. When they do it in way that let's their victims know they are sometimes being lied to etc and sometime's not - that they are being purposefully and brazenly fucked around - it will produce a cowed, exhausted population marked by their complete apathy and malleability , perfect material with which to create the 'New Man'..We are ruled by evil bastards.


Anonymous said...

“When people accept futility and the absurd as normal, the culture is decadent. The term is not a slur; it is a technical label. A decadent culture offers opportunities chiefly to the satirist.”


James Mathurin said...

There's been no official photographs released. What you saw is a fake, and as I read this, there was a report on the news that the US government has confirmed that the photo in circulation is fake.

Sarah Maid of Albion said...

@ Rose

I have no idea why they got rid of the body so quickly, its not as iof his supporters would try and steal it back.

It may be cultural sensitivities, Islamic custom calls for swift burial.

However, this isn't just any death, it is one which is certainly going to be questioned.

Hence such a swift burial is an odd decision.

Sarah Maid of Albion said...

@ James

Yes I know, the article I linked to says its a fake.

It just seems odd that someone would fake a picture which supports the official line.

Sarah Maid of Albion said...


Yes I agree that a lot of manipulation goes on. This may all be completely true, but so much about it is very odd. The timing is odd (or convenient)

Obama claiming that he was in control of operations on the ground, via a direct link. which if true is total madness.

Politicians order these operations they don't get involved in the actual operations. That would be insane.

I think the last leader to do that was William of Orange.

Thanks for the link to Gates of Vienna, that is interesting, and scary Fjordman is a superb writer.

Anonymous said...

I think that it's meant to be odd to unsettle us so we prepare ourselves for something bad, we become defensive fearful protect ourselves, fold inwards a little bit more. But I know what you mean it is only part of it - the meta data - however ...what's next? The timing is 'strange', theres a lot else occurring, I would say they are hoping for complete chaos but they have advertised the washing of the body in accordance with Islamic tradition (again a big FU to you some). Maybe It's just the closing of a chapter and the opening of new one with some foreboding - in the old sense - about what the new chapter will mean for us all.

Obama's lying I've been in Afghan in the Infantry though not SF but I think it would be impossible to control fast moving op's on the ground from anywhere but on the ground. He might have given the thumb's up - to whatever the operation was - but that's about it. He has zero military experience though no doubt is arrogant enough to believe that he doesn't need it to be a great general.


James Mathurin said...

True, but some people do stuff like that all the time.

It might be bad taste, or showing off.

Anonymous said...

catch up jimmy, I thought you loved going over our source's.


Shaunantijihad said...

It's a good day to bury layered birth certificates, that's for sure. Becky Anderson on CNN just said he was buried at sea, "according to Islamic tradition".

Isn't it amazing that we can bury people at sea according to Islamic tradition i.e... facing Mecca?

Dr.D said...

We have no reason whatsoever to believe that OBL has been recently killed. There were fairly definite reports that he died quite a few years ago, and that it would be announced when it suited the purposes of the regime. Looks like that time has arrived, when Obama needs a campaign boost.

Obama is utterly untrustworthy. If he says the sun is shining, you better step to the window to check before you decide whether to believe him or not because the man is a pathological liar. Lying is so much easier for him that telling the simple true on anything, no matter how trivial, that there is simply no reason at all to take his word on any matter at all. He is a compulsive liar!

Dr.D said...

One other matter, in answer to Rose of Scotland.

You would get rid of the body quickly, at sea, if you (1) had no body in the first place, (2) for whatever reason wanted to avoid any questions about the manner of death, the health of the person just prior to death, or (3) to avoid having to prove to the world you got the right person.

McGonagall said...

"It's a good day to bury layered birth certificates, that's for sure."

I think that's the real explanation. They brought out the BC when the world was watching the Royal Wedding hoping it would pass unchallenged. When it didn't something really big was required to distract the populations attention away from an obvious fake.

With the MSM keeping to the script any dissenting voices will be drowned out.

Anonymous said...

Obama's claiming the credit ("It's all about me") is going to backfire on him.



Anonymous said...

I am inclined to believe the story, since it is actually more bizarre than fiction.

Had anyone suggested he was being housed in a luxury complex right near the capital city by our good friends the Pakistanis, they would have been accused of being paranoid.

The official version has the right aroma of incompetence, treachery, and hypocrisy; not in the conduct of the mission, but in his extended residency in the lap of official luxury, while we spent lives and money stomping around in the boonies.

The USA or Britain probably paid for the construction of the complex, with aid money.

In truth, what do these people really think of us? They think we are huge suckers, and they are right.


The Concerned Australian said...

Yup, George Bush II was sucked in and tell me again how many weapons of mass destruction he found? For how many American lives lost?

Before you argue this point, did you know Osama bin Laden was trained by the british SAS to kill the Russians who invaded Afghanistan?

Sorry, say again, who was it that that invaded Afghanistan next?

Yes who can believe who? I don't trust the yank politicians/CIA any more than than I trust that there ever was an Osama bin Laden.

How can we believe any of's amazing how quickly he was checked for DNA against his sister and buried at sea in a Mislim they think we are all stupid?

Sarah Maid of Albion said...

Yes, they do think we are stupid, and sadly a lot of us are.

Anonymous said...

"Yes who can believe who? I don't trust the yank politicians/CIA any more than than I trust that there ever was an Osama bin Laden.

How can we believe any of's amazing how quickly he was checked for DNA against his sister and buried at sea in a Mislim they think we are all stupid?"


'Robert Maxwell' comes to mind when he fell off 'Lady Ghislaine' in 1991.

His body 'was recovered' to Israel not UK where he lived?

He too was buried very quickly.

Shaunantijihad said...

If we are to assume any truth to this, then I am certain this is all about timing around the birth certificate. If we assume OBL was indeed killed a few days ago, then Obama hushed it up temporarily to rush out a half-assed birth certificate before releasing the news to distract attention away from it. Will it work?

Anyway, only Muslim sailors should be buried at sea as they are supposed to be buried facing Mecca, but the other problem is the sycophantic pandering to Islamic law, washing the body by Imams etc, which only gives credence to the very ideology that motivated OBL to kill for Allah.

I always said that if anyone shot OBL in the face, they would get a medal, but if you insulted the ideology that caused him to commit the acts for which you could shoot him in the face in the first place, you would go to prison for "hate crime". Absurd. It must be the cognitive dissonance that makes Liberals go crazy.

When all's said and done, the real threat is the number of babies Muslims are having. In 2010 the number of Muslim babies in Belgium exceeded all other babies. The most important Jihad is the demographic Jihad, but our leaders are too castrated to even talk about it.

alanorei said...

I wondered why I had a feeling of deja vu and then I remembered Waco in February 1993. All the evidence there was quickly got rid of too and I believe that unanswered questions remain over that incident.

Just like 9/11.

misterfox said...

She only mentions it in passing but Bhutto said he had been murdered in this interview some time ago. But we have no idea.

Macaw said...

Ok, question: If it turns out that OBL died a few years back (or is not dead in the first place), how/who will expose the truth? Surely the "powers that be" have made sure that there are no loose ends?

What about the SEAL team, the chopper pilots, etc, et al?

Dr.D said...

@ McCaw
The sure place that the truth will not come from is the Obama regime. Answers may come from some other source, but the truth will never come from Barry. It simply is not in him. He could not tell the truth if his life depended on it.

zone said...

Pakistan's former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto states quite matter fact in this 2003 interview that Osama had been murdered. @2:15
Her assassination occurred in 2007.

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