Monday, 21 February 2011

When the truth becomes the crime

Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff and Geert Wilders

Last Thursday a court in Vienna found lecturer and human rights activist Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff guilty of one count of “denigration of religious beliefs of a legally recognized religion” and she was fined the sum of €480. A relatively small sum, but she now has a hate crime conviction against her name.

Sabaditsch-Wolff's crime was to state, at a series of seminars about political Islam, that the Prophet Mohamed had sex with a child, his nine year old wife Aisha. Although acquitted of the more serious charge of inciting racial hatred, she was also convicted of being a “serial offender” despite this being her first offence.

Elizabeth is a regular writer at the Gates of Vienna who have written extensively about her case, links to their various articles can be found here, meanwhile American writer Diana West who runs the Death of the Grown Up blog has addressed the case in a recent posting “Willkomen to the Caliphate”, where she effectively argues that the conviction was in fact on the basis of Sharia law, not European law or what still passes for Austrian law.

It is interesting to note that the court did not find that the defendant had lied, at one point the judge stated that Aisha was 18 but later acknowledged that she had in fact attained that age at the time of Mohamed's death. Indeed the fact that Mohamed married Aisha while she was a child is largely undisputed and accepted as fact by most Islamic scholars. Marriage between an older man and a pre-pubescent girl was not unusual in Islamic culture during the prophet's life and remains so today in some Islamic countries.

The truth of the claim was irrelevant to the court. To convict Sabaditsch-Wolff, it was not necessary to demonstrate her claims were untrue, they were true, but merely to prove, as the court did, that she told a truth which some Muslims found offensive.

This was by no means an isolated case. Also last week French journalist √Čric Zemmour was found guilty of incitement to racial hatred after telling a TV chat show that drug dealers were mostly "blacks and Arabs".

Once again, the truth or otherwise of Zemmour's claim was irrelevant to his conviction for he spoke a truth which French law bars him from speaking. It is illegal in France to reveal the race of criminal offenders, or to report rates of ethnic offending, presumably because to do so would be to reveal the truth of Monsieur Zemmour's illegal words.

Meanwhile in Holland it has been announced that the trial against PVV leader Gerrt Wilders for discrimination and inciting hatred will recommence on March 14th. As in the other cases mentioned, the truth or otherwise of Mr Wilders' words will have no bearing on his prosecution, all that matters is that they have offended Muslims and questioned the state dogma of multiculturalism.

Like Sabaditsch-Wolff and Zemmour, Wilders could join the growing group of people convicted of, and punished for, telling the truth.

In Britain, as we all know BNP leader Nick Griffin was subjected to a politically motivated criminal prosecution for making statements which have since been proven to be true. Mr. Griffin's claims that gangs of Muslim paedophiles have been grooming white girls for sex, have been echoed by ex-Justice secretary Jack Straw, and confirmed by various journalists and leading police officers. However, as Judge Norman Jones informed Nick Griffin at his trial, that he was telling the truth was no defence against race hate charges.

Indeed, had it not been for the wisdom of a jury, who acquitted Griffin against the judge's advice, he would have gone to prison for the New World Order offence of telling the truth.

In fact the situation is worse than the judge implied, Judge Jones understated the truth, for we in Europe have gone beyond the point where the truth is merely no defence against race hate charges, the truth itself is now the crime.

The mad Orwellian creed of multiculturalism, which our rulers have imposed upon us has produced a reality where, when addressing the subject of race and religion the only act left to us, which is legal and permissible, is to lie.

12 comments:

Dr.D said...

As I read the discussion of ESW's conviction, the Austrian judge says that pedophilia consists in an exclusive desire for sexual relations with children. The fact that mighty Mo was still having sexual relations with his child bride when she reached the age of 18 just before he died presumably shows that he did not exclusively want children and therefore, according to this Austrian wizard, is not a pedophile. By the lights of most normal people, deflowering a 9 year old makes mighty Mo a pedophile, even if he continues to use her as she matures.

Anonymous said...

It's time we started showing that we can get angry too. If one of us burns a koran they can pick us off one by one.If a thousand of us turn up and burn a page each, and keep doing it they can't arrest us all

Anonymous said...

Burn the new world order "koran" while you are at it, the muslims are just used as agitators.
In my view the only solution is muscular nationalism and cooperation between nationalists worldwide.
The new world order nuts and their liberal enablers are the real enemies of muslims ,christians,jews and nations.
The people that flood Europe with muslims cant possibly be so stupid that they think it will end peacefully, they know the result and are ready with their "solution"

Alex said...

Speech crimes and thought crimes are inevitable in a society where the pursuit of truth is a contestable enterprise - according to the Postmodern "thinkers" who are in charge of brainwashing the general public.

We are in a situation where speaking the truth is an act of rebellion against the imposition of the "Orwellian creed" of multiculturalism and much more. At the moment, the only place it's safe to defy our rulers is here online.

mary sullivan said...

remember geert w. is a jew, and cares nothing about dead Whites in south africa.
arabs are not the problem for europe.

arabs that are flooded in by Jew laws of the EU and Jew-Soros financed legislation, caused this problem, jews are the problem, but arabs are the result.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Mary Sullivan.

We hear that muslim terrorists are a tiny minority within islam, but we all know that is bullshit because the silent majority of muslims never confront the minority causing violence. That is because they agree with them. There is a similar problem with Jews of the New World Order. The so-called good Jews seem to be a bit quiet about their fellow Jew trouble-makers. That is because they agree with them.

Dr.D said...

Geert Wilders may or may not be a Jew; I have seen nothing to indicate one way or the other. What I have seen is that he is doing much to try to halt the spread of izlam in Europe and throughout the world. He lives in constant fear for his life because he has so often spoken out forcefully and continues to do so.

In contrast, the name Mary Sullivan is not one that I have often seen in the headlines as having led the charge against izlam. Perhaps I simply have not read the correct sources. However, until such time as I see it as often as I see Geert Wilders, I will continue to support Wilders much more strongly than Mary Sullivan. He is definitely putting his life on the line for this issue.

Mick, Anglo-Celtic and Nationalist said...

I can recall the pressure that Henry Kissinger put on Southern Africa, South Africa and Rhodesia in particular. (I personally hate the bastard but don't let that sway you, I just wish him dead)

OK Henry, what now? It's all fucked-up. What was the greater plan?

There obviously must be a greater plan otherwise we wouldn't have US troops in Iraq and Afganistan. I mean, they must have had a greater plan considering there were no weapons of mass destruction.

Go figure? It's all beyond me. The Muslims are hell-bent on fucking the world from the "religeous" intent and the yanks are doing the same from their invalid "war on terror" intent.

Everyone else is intent on "Fucking" the world by their lack of committment to not be pussies regarding the multicultaralism aspect.

Where have all the fucking men gone? You bunch of Muslim bending, yank sucking, MOFO's.

Get a backbone you faggots!

misterfox said...

Sorry, I am never anonymous:

One of worst examples of the state persecution of Christians was that of Catholic priest Father Samuel, who had fled to Belgium to escape Muslim persecution of Christians in Turkey, only to be persecuted for “incitement to racist hatred” by the Belgian state. The Government’s Inquisition agency, the Centre for Equal Opportunities and Opposition to Racism (CEOOR). It is for a remark he made in a 2002 television interview: “Every thoroughly Islamized Muslim child that is born in Europe is a time bomb for Western children in the future. The latter will be persecuted when they have become a minority.”
The Belgian judiciary decided to try him before the penal court in Charleroi. He repeated his statement and that he would be honoured to go to jail for this. He added that Jesus too had been persecuted! In a sermon he called upon the faithful to accompany him to court. “We will turn this into an excursion, driving there in full buses.” Father Samuel fled to Belgium to escape the persecution of Aramaic Christians in Turkey and is being persecuted by the Belgians! The Aramaics are a Catholic minority in Syria and Turkey and speak an old Semitic language, which Jesus and the apostles used and so are a link with Christ. Mel Gibson used the language in “The Passion of the Christ.”
At Montignies-sur-Sambre he conducts the Mass according to the traditional rites of the Catholic Church. Hundreds attend his Sunday Mass. The congregation includes African immigrants, a large number of young people and many young families with small children. On his web and sermons Father Samuel warns of “the islamic invasion” of the West and that Muslims are invading Europe and we face impending civil war. According to Father Samuel “so-called moderate Muslims do not exist.” This was in 2006 and is been kept very quiet as we move towards secret trials for dissenters in the western world. They do not want the mass of Catholics to realise that Christians are now being persecuted in the Europe on behalf of Muslims because a rebellion of Catholics against the Cultural Marxists of the EU

misterfox said...

Mary could you provide some evidence or do you need to simplify everything to understand it?

ecks why said...

elisabeth sabaditsch is in trouble for speaking truths about islam which is dangerous no matter how it is packaged.

the twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace. even a brief review of islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology.

see the links in the pdf version below for more accurate info about islam
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islam is a horrible ideology for human rights

5 key things about islam

1. mythical beliefs - all religions have these (faith) because its part of being a religion: having beliefs without proof until after the believer dies. the problem is people will believe almost anything.

2. totalitarianism - islam has no seperation of church and state: sharia law governs all. there is no free will in islam: only submission to the will of allah as conveniently determined by the imams who spew vapors to feather their own nests. there are no moderate muslims: they all support sharia law.

3. violence - islam leads the pack of all religions in violent tenets for their ideology & history: having eternal canonical imperatives for supremacy at all costs and calling for violence & intimidation as basic tools to achieve these goals.

4. dishonesty - only islam has dishonesty as a fundamental tenet: this stems from allah speaking to mohamhead & abrogation in the koran which is used to explain how mo's peaceful early life was superseded by his warlord role later.

5. misogyny - present day islam is still rooted in 8th century social ethics: treating females as property of men good only for children, severely limiting their activities, dressing them in shower curtains and worse.

conclusions ??

there really are NO redeeming qualities for this muddled pile of propaganda.

islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.

graphics version
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5792/dangero.jpg

1 page pdf version - do file/download 6kb viewer doesn't show fonts well, has better fonts header footer links, great for emailing printing etc
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B_UyNP-72AVKYWNiNTFlYTEtMTA1ZC00YjhiLTljMDUtMDhhNDE0NDMzNmYz

Anonymous said...

I am Dutch. Mary, Wilders is not Jewish. Some have said his paternal Grandfather was Jewish, some say on his mother's side.
Even if true, does not make him Jewish.

He travelled extensively as a young man and after experiencing the hatred of the Arabs for the Jews, which he did not see in Israel he saw things differently.

Even, by the way, the Nazi's did not deport anyone with "Jewish blood" only those registerd as religious Jews. Jews who had converted to i.e. RC were also not recognised as Jews (why, obviously, many converted to Christianity as it saved them.) I thought this was common knwledge, but of course UK was not occupied by the Germans as Holland was.

My family who lived under Nazi occupation know this.

Today however, there are many who criticise anyone for having "Jewish blood." This is then really worse anti-semitism than during WW2. it would be difficult as many Europeans have Jewish ancestry , as do many of the Dutch "Spanish blood" because of their occupation here in the 15th century.
My mother-in-law is Dutch, had a paternal German Grandfather (and maiden name) and from her mother's side Russian-Jewish ancestry.
So?
On this site I read a comment that Shatter is Jewish, yes he has Jewish parentage I believe. Whether he himself is a practising Jew I don't know.
The Milleband brothers are also of Jewish parentage I believe ? So ?
Nobody accuses someone of being a "Christian" if their Grandfsther was, or a "Muslim" if one was once in their family?
Obama is referred to as "black never white even though his own mother was white ?!

"blood" only matters at certain times when it suits someone to use this to back up their own theories.

Someone letting in immigrants( Shatter, but there are more non-Jewish politicians who allow this so the Jew card does not work in this case at all) "is Jewish" and someone against immigration (Wilders) is also accused of being"Jewish"? Does this make sense?


Most holocaust denial comes from the Arab/Muslim world as do conspiracy theories about "Jews" I have discovered and it should be obvious with even the most cursory information out there.
Do not be sheeple.

Maria.