tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post2644326463715911519..comments2023-10-15T00:20:43.111-07:00Comments on Sarah Maid of Albion: The left is re-writing Britain's immigration HistorySarah Maid of Albionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11685494924450312124noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-61500387689247042422012-02-26T03:34:24.410-08:002012-02-26T03:34:24.410-08:00I just can not imagine with strong your blog great...I just can not imagine with strong your blog greatly that helped me. God bless you “You can’t win unless you learn how to lose.” - Kareem Abdul-JabbarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-46608659575181156532011-10-10T12:39:34.458-07:002011-10-10T12:39:34.458-07:00To Celtic Warrior
Could you please contact me at ...To Celtic Warrior<br /><br />Could you please contact me at sarahmaidofalbion@gmail.com<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />SarahSarah Maid of Albionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11685494924450312124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-49394629090798459832011-10-09T01:42:11.722-07:002011-10-09T01:42:11.722-07:00Laager and Celtic Warrior
I think the exchange of...Laager and Celtic Warrior<br /><br />I think the exchange of views between you two has now rather run its course. <br /><br />Could you please bring it to a close by the end of today (October 9th) and if you want to carry on after that please do so off line.<br /><br />I will happily act as intermediary if yo want to exchange e-mail addresses.Sarah Maid of Albionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11685494924450312124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-51413533885192445702011-10-08T15:55:04.599-07:002011-10-08T15:55:04.599-07:00@ CW 7:11
Yep - and all the F1 drivers that live ...@ CW 7:11<br /><br />Yep - and all the F1 drivers that live in Monte Carlo are Mone'qasque.<br /><br />It is amazing how a benign tax-regime can instantly alter race, ethnicity, nationality, citizenship and national loyalty.Laagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-67680210679832258912011-10-08T10:56:54.385-07:002011-10-08T10:56:54.385-07:00Laager said...
I think the BNP, UKIP, EDL and Brit...Laager said...<br />I think the BNP, UKIP, EDL and Britain First should meet to discuss consolidating into a unified Nationalist movement.<br /><br /><br />Why has no one commented on that comment , I would be very interested to hear responses thereto.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-83162322337471098842011-10-08T07:11:32.737-07:002011-10-08T07:11:32.737-07:00Laager said;
"before re-locating to Switzerl...Laager said;<br /><br />"before re-locating to Switzerland, you could argue that he is an Englishman".<br /><br />Maybe it would be more correct to refer to him as Swiss. After all he cannot be too patriotic towards England as he not only lives in Switzerland he also pays Swiss taxes.<br /><br />Probably no different from his father, who although born in the West Indies, became English by virtue of his living there.Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-81871375012445139312011-10-07T14:15:28.909-07:002011-10-07T14:15:28.909-07:00Laager asked;
"Please identify what you cons...Laager asked;<br /><br />"Please identify what you consider bizarre in my posts."<br /><br />I’ll give you just a few examples.<br /><br />1 For example you stated; “I can introduce you to South Africans with British surnames who can barely speak a word of English.” <br />What has that got to do with your claim “that white South Africans feel they have been politically shafted by white English business”.<br /><br />2 In attempting to denigrate Britain you stated; "Anglo American announced that they would pay their labour R1/day". <br />This was at a time when qualified aircraft technicians were earning less than R1 per day in Britain and R0.50 per day in Ireland.<br /><br />3 Of a list of 19 prominent South African businessmen that I posted, only one was actually English and one other who was born in London was of Russian Jewish descent. Five were of European Jewish descent. Five were Afrikaners and despite asking on numerous occasions for you to let me know if I had missed any other Englishmen off the list you have ignored my request.<br /><br />4 You continue to use such meaningless terms as “English/Jewish”, “ SA English”, “Britain/Europe”, “English speaking camp”, “(British) Jewish businessmen” and you then go on to state; “English speakers, as opposed to Afrikaans speakers, who generally are descendants of British [English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish] immigrants”, which is not true, is all rather bizarre, disingenuous and misleading. <br /><br />Laager also asked;<br /><br />"Is the island of Ireland part of the British Isles or not?"<br /><br />I replied extensively in a previous post of which the following extract explains the situation as best I can.<br /><br />"Because the term Britain is still retained in the title United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK), the people of the ROI wishing to separate themselves politically from the UK, do not consider themselves to be part of the British Isles. Although strictly speaking from a racial and geographic point of view they are." <br /><br />To steer clear of the political construct some, such as the well known English genetics expert Bryan Sykes, titles his book “Blood of the Isles”.Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-90314770899631359572011-10-07T03:18:39.831-07:002011-10-07T03:18:39.831-07:00@ CW
Please identify what you consider bizarre i...@ CW <br /><br />Please identify what you consider bizarre in my posts.<br /><br />Is the island of Ireland part of the British Isles or not?Laagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-2525704460326440462011-10-07T03:08:40.333-07:002011-10-07T03:08:40.333-07:00@ Anon 19:04
From Wikipedia
Coming from a mixed-...@ Anon 19:04<br /><br />From Wikipedia<br /><br />Coming from a mixed-race background, with a black father and white mother.<br />Hamilton is often labelled "the first black driver in Formula One", although Willy T. Ribbs tested an F1 car in 1986. He is also the first driver of black heritage to win a major race at Indianapolis Motor Speedway in any discipline.<br /><br />Hamilton was born on 7 January 1985 in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, England,and was named after American sprinter Carl Lewis. Hamilton's mother, Carmen Larbalestier (now married as Carmen Lockhart), is white British, while his father, Anthony Hamilton, is black British, making him mixed-raced,(Anthony Hamilton's parents emigrated from Grenada to the United Kingdom in the 1950s). <br />Lewis Hamilton's parents separated when he was two, as a result of this he lived with his mother and half-sisters Nicola and Samantha until he was twelve, when he started living with his father, stepmother Linda and half-brother Nicolas (who has cerebral palsy). Hamilton was raised as a Roman Catholic by his father.<br /><br />--------------------------------------------<br /><br />So the old dilemma of Nationality and Race reappears - which the BNP try to explain to the nation, for which they are castigated as racist.<br /><br />Hamilton's nationality and citizenship is British.<br />His race is 50/50 Afro-Caribbean/White British.<br /><br />As he was born, raised and lived in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, England, speaks English with a Hertfordshire accent, before re-locating to Switzerland, you could argue that he is an Englishman - just like Zola Budd the white South African born athlete of British descent who took up residence in England and represented Great Britain at the Olympics in 1985Laagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-36383248357895608982011-10-07T02:05:09.155-07:002011-10-07T02:05:09.155-07:00Laager said;
“dont want to hear an alternative vi...Laager said;<br /><br />“dont want to hear an alternative view.”<br /><br />As usual you choose to ignore the invitation to bring facts to the table. I’m quite happy to hear views which can be supported by facts.<br /><br />Which part of “Unless you can come up with some checkable facts to contradict mine” did you not understand?Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-84957243983013557422011-10-06T19:04:22.758-07:002011-10-06T19:04:22.758-07:00For the record people like Michael Portillo (Spani...For the record people like Michael Portillo (Spanish), Laurence Dallaglio (Irish/Italian) and Linford Christie (Afro-Caribbean) see themselves as Englishmen. <br /><br />If that's true these people are as ignorant as the clowns within the BBC referring to Lewis Hamilton (F1 driver) as an "Englishman" Hamilton's father is a black West Indian with roots in Africa obviously and his mother I understand is a pale skinned Jewess? - not certain though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-57418843633069006872011-10-06T16:51:17.052-07:002011-10-06T16:51:17.052-07:00@ CW
I also spent 40 years in SA and I stand by m...@ CW<br /><br />I also spent 40 years in SA and I stand by my comments<br /><br />The French, German & Dutch surnames you mention are no doubt the descendants of the immigrants you quote. With the cross overs through marriages and depending on which province these folks were located in they would have mastered English. In contrast I can introduce you to South Africans with British surnames who can barely speak a word of English. Most of the "other country" immigrants you mention I also encountered as SA English speakers - probably because we were in Natal and Cape Town. In the Free State and Transvaal it would have been different. Generally most Afrikaners could speak more English than vice versa as English is the business language in the cities and many technical text books are not available in Afrikaans. Plus they understand the value of knowing the language if they intend travelling outside the country. In the platteland the reverse applied - except in Natal. <br /><br />Most Afrikaners had the courtesy to speak English to the generally uni-lingual (excluding the black languages) SA English as they knew their Afrikaans was so poor.<br /><br />As for my education; this was in English by English speakers in the last outpost of the British Empire and I can assure you it was certainly not Nationalist Party anti-British propaganda. In fact I would describe it as jingoistic pro-British. It was only once I got out of the place and broadened my horizons that I realised what a load of distorted one sided information we had been fed. I suppose you could call that propaganda.<br /><br />If you wish to continue the dialogue I can provide examples but it seems like you have taken the usual Anglo-Saxon-Celtic-Briton moral high ground and dont want to hear an alternative view.<br /><br />So I bid you farewell and leave you to live your life wrapped in your Union Jack/Irish Tri-Colour cacoon.Laagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-84567754019742857922011-10-05T14:47:22.113-07:002011-10-05T14:47:22.113-07:00Laager said;
"When we say (SA) English in So...Laager said;<br /><br />"When we say (SA) English in South Africa we mean English speakers, as opposed to Afrikaans speakers, who generally are descendants of British [English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish] immigrants"<br /><br />Again, you are incorrect.<br /><br />Many of the English speakers I have met in my 40 years in South Africa are not of Anglo Celtic descent. Many of my English speaking friends carry such names as De Villiers, Labuschagne, van Ryneveld and Van Der Linde as well as many whose families came from Germany, France, Portugal Italy, Poland, Holland and many other countries.<br /><br />Laager, you either know little of South African history or otherwise you are purposefully understating or exaggerating the facts, as you are a product of the National Party's schooling system whose history curriculum we known to have been mainly anti English propaganda.<br /><br />I’ve given you many facts, which are easily checked, and which contradict many of your bizarre statements. Unless you can come up with some checkable facts to contradict mine I do not wish to continue further discussion with you.Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-82573663855254765742011-10-05T12:55:18.759-07:002011-10-05T12:55:18.759-07:00Laager asked for clarification on;
"Is Irela...Laager asked for clarification on;<br /><br />"Is Ireland part of the British Isles, or do the Irish see themselves as a stand alone entity?"<br /><br />Long answer I'm afraid.<br /><br />The earliest reference to the inhabitants of the archipelago off the northwest coast of Europe is from a 4th century BC Greek explorer. He referred collectively to the islands as the Brittanic Isles and to the peoples of the Isles as the Pretani, meaning painted people. <br /><br />Although all the peoples of the Isles share a common ancestry and the DNA of the original inhabitants, political infighting between various competing English monarchs, specifically James ll (actually a Scotsman) and William lll (actually a Dutchman) resulted in Ireland dividing along religious lines, ultimately resulting in the separation of 26 counties from the Union in 1922, to became the Republic of Ireland (ROI). Because the term Britain is still retained in the title United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK), the people of the ROI wishing to separate themselves politically from the UK, do not consider themselves to be part of the British Isles. Although strictly speaking from a racial and geographic point of view they are. <br /><br />The people of Northern Ireland (NI) especially of the Protestant faith consider themselves to be British and recognise the border between the two states, whilst those of the Catholic tradition see themselves as being Irish and do not recognise the border. In fact the border is not recognised by the ROI, therefore allowing many South Africans who had a grandparent born in NI, to claim Irish citizenship. This also creates the anomalous situation whereby the current President of the ROI is a British citizen.<br /><br />Lately I have also noticed that some people are rejecting the term “British” in favour of the term “Briton”. It seems that these days anybody who fulfills certain political criteria may call themselves British, whereas Briton specifically refers to those who claim descent from the Anglo Celtic peoples, or as I like to say the “People of the Isles”.<br /><br />Sorry for the lengthy reply.Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-13914433094393999072011-10-05T03:31:59.715-07:002011-10-05T03:31:59.715-07:00Laager said,
"What we are now getting into i...Laager said,<br /><br />"What we are now getting into is ethnic identity which is what apartheid was all about (race classification committees) and the United nations declared:<br />"A Crime Against Humanity"<br /><br />The peoples of the Isles are ethnic Britons and have been for almost 15 000 years. That would be almost 14 940 years before the United Nations was formed or apartheid was invented.<br /><br />Having a common and ancient heritage, they have at divers times throughout history, arranged themselves both voluntarily and involuntarily, into various groupings, until sometime during the 1st millennia when they rearranged themselves roughly into the present countries of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. None of this was achieved without bloodshed. Then despite countless battles and rebellions the following political events occurred. <br /><br />Wales was incorporated with England by the Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542, creating the legal entity known today as England and Wales. The Kingdom of Scotland was an independent state until 1 May 1707 when it joined in a political union with the Kingdom of England to create a united Kingdom of Great Britain. In 1800, the British and Irish Parliaments passed the Act of Union which, in 1801, merged the Kingdom of Ireland and the Kingdom of Great Britain to create the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, (now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland since the 26 counties left the union). <br /><br />For further information on the genetic roots of the people of the Isles go to;<br /><br />http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2006/10/mythsofbritishancestry/Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-70135969225335545182011-10-05T03:16:48.435-07:002011-10-05T03:16:48.435-07:00@ CW
Points taken.
Let me clarify a definition.
...@ CW<br /><br />Points taken.<br /><br />Let me clarify a definition.<br /><br />When we say (SA) English in South Africa we mean English speakers, as opposed to Afrikaans speakers, who generally are descendants of British [English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish] immigrants who started coming to South Africa when the British (English?) took control of the Cape in 1806.<br /><br />This process was further accelerated when the Union of South Africa was created in 1910 and South Africa was a full Commonwealth member like New Zealand, Australia and Canada up to 1961 when the country became a Republic. Even after 1961 Brits continued to emigrate to SA to plug the skills shortage hole in a developing country.<br /><br />True, all the politicians you list are Afrikaners but as we all know the dilemma of South African politics has always been the split between political power and economic power. It was probably only in the 70s that Afrikaners obtained parity with the SA English in the commercial world. As farmers they had been dominant for many years. Therefore I am sure that big (SA English) did call the shots for many years until the Afrikaners felt confident enough to ignore them.<br /><br />Today the same process is repeated. By numerical superiority blacks have the political power whilst whites - both SA English and Afrikaners - have the economic power. Hence Julius Malema and all his shennanagans.<br /><br />The elusive English businessmen you refer to are the SA branches of British (English?) companies that opened in SA staffed with South Africans but with the key positions firmly in British (English?) control.<br />A few examples - British Leyland, Coates - i.e spinning, weaving industry and rag trade.<br /><br />Once SA became a republic this dependence on Britain for technology transfers started to diminish as SA business started developing alliances with the rest of the world. In the motor industry French, German, Italian, Swedish and Japanese plants were established. The American influence also waned as South Africans preferred European type motor vehicles.<br /><br />An interesting exercise would be to follow the share holdings of the mines in South Africa. My guess is that would discover that the mines are actually owned by investors in the west particularly the UK (English?) This probably accounts for Pres Zuma's recent visit to the UK. Investors are starting to get nervous and wanted to sound him out on the ANC's nationalisation plans for the mines.<br /><br />A final query for clarification please;<br />Is Ireland part of the British Isles, or do the Irish see themselves as a stand alone entity?<br />The presence of British Ulster on this island complicates the issue somewhat.<br />Would Ulster then be part of the British Isles (a political construct as you put it) or not?Laagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-80117421308317918632011-10-05T02:46:04.695-07:002011-10-05T02:46:04.695-07:00Laager said;
"Does this mean we follow the A...Laager said;<br /><br />"Does this mean we follow the American precedent of Afro-Americans / Irish-Americans / Polish-Americans etc and call ourselves Pedi-South African (Malema), Sotho-South African (Tutu), Xhosa-South African (Mandela), Jewish/English- South African (Susman) and Afrikaner-South African (Pienaar)".<br /><br />How the peoples of South Africa designate themselves is a matter for them and not for me.Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-7941555067308552592011-10-05T02:42:10.876-07:002011-10-05T02:42:10.876-07:00Laager said;
"For the record people like Mic...Laager said;<br /><br />"For the record people like Michael Portillo (Spanish), Laurence Dallaglio (Irish/Italian) and Linford Christie (Afro-Caribbean) see themselves as Englishmen." <br /><br />Portillo's mother is from Scottish stock and Dallaglio's from Irish stock making them Britons. Christie may be a British citizen (a political construct) but he is definitely not a Briton.Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-36940341398024830762011-10-04T08:58:31.901-07:002011-10-04T08:58:31.901-07:00In response to Laager;
My statement that ”between...In response to Laager;<br /><br />My statement that ”between 1910 and 1994 every South African prime minister/president had been an Afrikaner, many of whom were unable to converse intelligently in English?” was to point out that it was Afrikaners and not Englishmen who were in control of South Africa. The fact that they were unable to converse intelligently in English serves to prove how little influence English had in South Africa. <br /><br />Unless of course you are claiming that Afrikaner patriots such as Botha, Smuts, Hertzog, Malan, Strijdom, Verwoerd, Vorster and Botha were all in the pockets of the “English businessmen” who are proving so very elusive to track down. <br /><br />Again you have not put forward the names of any “English businessman” I may have left off my list. Why not try again?<br /><br />As I said, I’ll leave it to our English friends to determine if those of Jewish and/or European descent are English.<br /><br />Let me see if I can clarify the situation a little. I’m an Irishman but I am not British, which is a political construct. I am however, through my genetic heritage a Briton, a people who have lived in the Isles for almost 15 000 years. This is a heritage I proudly share with the Scots, Welsh and English. Whilst it may be politically acceptable for those born in the Isles to non Britons to claim they are British, I do not accept them as Britons.Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-44845464724498599592011-10-04T05:54:02.217-07:002011-10-04T05:54:02.217-07:00Perhaps it is a failing of the the SA education sy...Perhaps it is a failing of the the SA education system that South Africans see the UK and Great Britain as essentially English and are not up to speed on the UK homelands of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the independent nation of Ireland.<br /><br />Probably it is because they all show up in SA under the Union Jack that they are all lumped into one conglomerate by both English and Afrikaans South Africans.<br /><br />Your comment on Yorkshiremen is interesting.<br />On a recent visit to SA I met a man who had been living in Wellington for 25 years. He proudly proclaimed that he was a Yorkshireman and from his conversation it was clear that he had no intention of assimilating or taking out SA citizenship. Having visited Yorkshire I could not see what all this patriotic fuss was about.<br /><br />"many of whom were unable to converse intelligently in English?" <br />Aha! <br />Why should they? <br />Afrikaans is the majority language spoken by white people in South Africa. English is a foreign language to them. French, German and Italian politicians do not speak in English - so why should they? <br />It is up to the news media to provide the interpreters and sub-titles as they do in Europe <br />At the other end of the scale you get public figures like Francois Pienaar - an Afrikaner who is totally fluent in English and makes compelling listening on the RWC 2011 broadcasts. <br /><br />Have not the (British) Jewish businessmen that you refer to been resident in the UK for a number of generations? So although their original ethnicity, religion and language my be Jewish/Hebrew, their citizenship/nationality is certainly British/English - given that most are based in the South East UK.<br /><br />This then leads to what is South African, Australian, American, Canadian etc?<br />As we all know Britain constructed an African Yugoslavia when the created the Union of South Africa in 1910.<br />Does this mean we follow the American precedent of Afro-Americans / Irish-Americans / Polish-Americans etc and call ourselves Pedi-South African (Malema), Sotho-South African (Tutu), Xhosa-South African (Mandela), Jewish/English- South African (Susman) and Afrikaner-South African (Pienaar)<br /><br />For the record people like Michael Portillo (Spanish), Laurence Dallaglio (Irish/Italian) and Linford Christie (Afro-Caribbean) see themselves as Englishmen. <br /><br />What we are now getting into is ethnic identity which is what apartheid was all about (race classification committees) and the United nations declared:<br />"A Crime Against Humanity"<br /><br />According to the liberals it is only in South Africa that all races are South Africans whilst for example in Great Britain / the UK the divisions of being Welsh, Scottish, English or Northern Irish (Catholic and Protestant) are enshrined, protected and encouraged through "freedom of association"Laagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-26323290232762850362011-10-03T16:00:27.118-07:002011-10-03T16:00:27.118-07:00Anonymous said;
"Don't forget that "...Anonymous said;<br /><br />"Don't forget that "Lord" Kitchener despite his Oxbridge accent was in fact Irish."<br /><br />Although born in Ireland Kitchener was not Irish. In a similar manner as George Orwell, Joanna Lumley and Rudyard Kipling were all born in Indian but were not considered Indias.<br /><br />Anonymous also said;<br /><br />"Barnato, Beit and the Rothchilds were based in England but none of this lot were English. British - yes".<br /><br />Barnet Isaacs (Barnato)born London of Jeweish parents. I'll let our British friends decide if he is British.<br /><br />Rothschilds were a family of German Jews. Not British.<br /><br />Alfred Beit was a German Jew. Not british,Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-72855258340888412902011-10-03T14:51:20.902-07:002011-10-03T14:51:20.902-07:00Laager asked;
“Am I missing something here?”
Yes...Laager asked;<br /><br />“Am I missing something here?”<br /><br />Yes you are. I asked for the names of any English businessman I may have left off my list. You have failed to provide even one. Do you wish to try again?<br /><br />However your response:- <br /><br />“They were firmly in the English speaking camp”, is very enlightening and explains all.<br /><br />Like many South Africans you seem unable to differentiate between people who are English speakers and people who are English. The fact that one speaks English does not automatically make one an Englishman. I’ve spent the past 40 years, with very little success, trying to get South Africans to understand that I am a citizen of the Republic of Ireland and I AM NOT AN ENGLISHMAN.<br /><br />I may help you to know that most Canadians, Americans, Australians and New Zealanders are also speak English but object to being called English, as South Africans tend to do. The same applies to the Jocks, Taffs and Paddies, I even have friends from Yorkshire who insist that they are Yorkshiremen and not English.<br /><br />In addition to using the combined term “English speaking”, you also use combined terms such as “British/Europe”, “English/Jewish” and “SA English”, surely this is being a little disingenuous.<br /><br />On a slightly different tack, is it not true that between 1910 and 1994 every South African prime minister/president had been an Afrikaner, many of whom were unable to converse intelligently in English?Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-31398555319266294072011-10-03T10:26:00.637-07:002011-10-03T10:26:00.637-07:00@ Celtic Warrior
Am I missing something here?
Th...@ Celtic Warrior <br /><br />Am I missing something here?<br />The start of your list are the mining magnates who came from Britain/Europe and benefitted directly from Britains control of the Cape, Transvaal and later the Union of SA. They were firmly in the English speaking camp.<br /><br />After the A-B War many of the destitute Boere went to the cities and became the blue collar workers on the mines. Being farmers they had no other skills to sell. <br /><br />Remember the miners strike/rebellion of the 1920s?<br />That was all about the English/Jewish mining magnates replacing Afrikaner labour a with black labour on about 1/10 of their wages.<br /><br />From a friend in the investment world I'm told that BEE is not a new phenomena. English business did the same thing back in the 20s/30s to assist Afrikaners to move from agriculture and enter the world of finance and commerce. The SA English could see the writing on the wall already. They were outnumbered by Afrikaners who would ultimately gain political control. This came to pass in 1948. The SA English were hedging their bets and positioning themselves to enjoy good relations within the forthcoming regime change.Laagernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-23577529910313382892011-10-02T14:54:12.953-07:002011-10-02T14:54:12.953-07:00May I put the record straight.
Laager said;
&quo...May I put the record straight.<br /><br />Laager said;<br /><br />"Is it any wonder that many white South Africans feel they have been politically shafted by white English business by what the Afrikaners refer to as "die geldmag" - the power of money?"<br /><br />The followin is a list of top South African businessmen which I've downloaded from Wikipedia. If there are other Englishmen I may have missed off the list please let me know.<br /><br />Barney Barnato, mining magnate. Born London of Jewish non English descent.<br /> <br />Sammy Marks, businessman. Born Lithuania of Russian Jewish parents.<br /><br />Harry Oppenheimer, businessman . Born Kimberley of German Jewish descent.<br /><br />Alfred Beit, mining magnate. Born Hamburg of German Jewish parents.<br /><br />Raymond Ackerman, businessman. Born Cape Town of Jewish descent.<br /><br />Sol Kerzner, hotel magnate. Born Johannesburg of Russian Jewish parents.<br /> <br />Anton Rupert, businessman and conservationist. Born Eastern Cape, Afrikaner. <br /><br />Johann Rupert, businessman, son of Anton Rupert.<br /> <br />Benjamin Ginsberg, businessman. Born Russia.<br /><br />Bill Venter, businessman. Born Johannesburg, Afrikaner.<br /><br />Albert Wessels, industrialist. Born SA, Afrikaner.<br /><br />Thomas Cullinan, mining magnate. Born Cape Colony. ancestry unknown.<br /><br />Bobby Godsell, businessman. Born Johannesburg. ancestry unknown.<br /><br />Julian Ogilvie Thompson, businessman. Born Cape Town. ancestry unknown.<br /><br />Gavin Relly, businessman. Born Cape Town. ancestry unknown.<br /><br />David Brink, businessman. Born Johannesburg,ancestry unknown.<br /> <br />John Fairbairn, founder of Mutual Life. Born Scotland. <br /><br />Charles Purdon, agricultural pioneer. Born Cape Colony of British descent.<br /> <br />Cecil Rhodes, businessman. Born England.Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3373165199675890724.post-24563804072196833762011-10-02T13:32:30.823-07:002011-10-02T13:32:30.823-07:00Let us get this in some context.
Laager said that...Let us get this in some context.<br /><br />Laager said that "Anglo American announced that they would pay their labour R1/day - in addition to free board and lodging, health care, rail fares to and from home and other benefits whilst living on the mines".<br /><br />They should be so lucky. <br /><br />In 1959 as a qualified aircraft technician in the Royal Air Force, I was earning R6 for a 7 day week and 24hour day. I also had free board and lodging, health care, rail fares to and from home. However the food could be withdrawn and substituted with bread and water and the board for a 7 X 6 foot cell, for a minor breach of discipline such as silent insubordination. <br /><br />And boy, was I glad of it, as it exceeded the R3 for a 6 day week (food and board not included)I had been getting in Ireland.Celtic Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276810229314257922noreply@blogger.com